are the 1/0's big? im not too good with my hooks sizes although i usually do prefer smaller hooks. any other hot spots you would like to share jazman? when you try out your new lures y not try the mussel farm? ive heard theres some good bream around there.
how much are the normal packet of gamakatsu's torz and how many do you get in a pack?
The 1/0s are not big for pinkies and flathead, but I reckon they are too big for bream and trevally. Having some 2s or smaller jigheads allows you to cover a wider range of situations and species using the same plastics.
Depends on the size, but you generally get 5 or so gamakatsu jigheads in a pack for $6-7.
11-06-2006, 11:48 AM (This post was last modified: 12-06-2006, 12:37 PM by glen.)
hired a boat out yesterday with a mate and his dad. was good fun but freezing cold. all up we caught about 20 fish in 2 hours. all small pinkies except for one flathead that about 30 cms. i was a bit cut though because my lures havent arrived in the mail and john allnut the boat hire guy (i think thats his name) went out in his boat while he was waiting for us and in managed a 40cm flathead and 35cm pinkie.
We went out on Saturday morning in the kayaks and managed about a dozen flathead around 30cm and 6 squid. I tried the pearl olive 3" berkely SP, but all the flathead wanted to eat was a 4" minnow in smelt colour.
As well as the Bekley minnows I've also tried the minnow grub and sandworm. Favorite all round colour is Pearl watermelon. It is pretty quiet in the bay at the moment (and will be pretty much until September) so don't stress if you don't catch much.
sounds good. do you ever target other species? salmon, tailor, etc? on saturday you should have seen the school of fish about 500mts away from us. the air was thick with birds and the surface of the water was alive.
The school of fish with birds working sounds like salmon, they have been around Mordi-Sandringham the past few weeks. You should have motored over and trolled around the edges of the school with small lures or SPs (never troll through the middle of the school, you'll spook the fish and send them down deep). When the salmon are busting up the surface like that the action can be hot, we had a similar experience at Black Rock a few months ago, as soon as the lure went out you'd hook up instantly. Keep it in mind for next time.
Sometimes we troll lures around Balck Rock to target snook. A friend does this from the kayak trolling 8-10cm bibbed diving minnows that dive to about 3m depth, last week he landed a 55cm snapper!
haha sounds awesome! when you troll from your kayak, how far away are the lures from your kayak? im gonna go halves with my parents and get a kayak for my bday. oh yeah and heaps of boats all swarmed over to the school of fish and i didnt have my mettalic lures with me. if we tried to go there they would have moved on already they were constantly moving. i didnt have any soft plastics aswell because they havent arrived in the mail.
That's good news about the kayak - make sure you do a lot of research about what model you want etc. before you buy, I can help you out with this, there are also a few useful websites out there.
hey jazman, yeah ive been looking around in the past couple of months and seen a couple that look like they mite be in my price range and will be suitable. one is a cayman and one is a viking. any recomendations?
If you are intending to fish out of your kayak you want a sit ON kayak, which is very different to the traditional style of kayak which are known as sit IN kayaks.
The cayman is a sit on kayak by Dagger (best known for white water and touring kayaks), I don't have any experience with this model, and don't know anyone who fishes out of a cayman, but I do know a guy who fishes out of a dagger drifter (sit in kayak). The cayman looks ok, but may be a little narrow for its length (wider kayak = more stable, bigger carrying capacity, but less fast), so might be a little unstable. The Cayman is 3.7m x 0.73m.
Viking make a lot of different kayaks, the one I'm most familiar with is the Viking Esprit (2 mates fish out of Esprits and love them). Very stable, and heaps of room for gear storage, the Esprit is 3.5m x 0.79m. Viking have also just released a new model designed specifically for fishing called the predator (4.65m x 0.73m). It's a MUCH bigger kayak than the Esprit but has rod holders fitted as standard and a fishing-friendly layout (it's also probably much more money than you want to spend). Another guy I know started out fishing from a Viking Ozzie, he used it for about 2 years then traded it in for a Perception Swing. Ozzies are small compared to all the other kayaks I've mentioned (2.7m x 0.79m) but are fine if you're not going to paddling really far or carrying too much gear. My girlfriend has been fishing out of a very similar kayak to the Ozzie for about a year now, we have customised it by adding a paddle keeper and 4 rod holders, plus a crate which clips on the back to hold gear, she is very happy with it and outfishes me a lot of the time!
My kayak is a Cobra Fish and Dive, it's massive (3.82m x 0.92m) and very stable but a little slow compared to others. I love it because it can carry HEAPS of gear (I sometimes end up carrying other people's gear they can't fit on their own kayaks), and it is big and stable enough to SCUBA dive from, which I do in the warmer months. Due to its size I wouldn't recommend this as a starting out kayak.
Considerations you should think about if you are looking for a kayak to fish from (I assume this is the main reason you are buying it?):
-How much work does it need to make it into a fishing friendly craft? (ie/ does it come with rod holders or do you have to add them yourself - if you are planning on fishing a lot from your kayak at least 2 rod holders are a must).
-How stable is it?
-How far will you be paddling on average?
-How much gear will you need to carry?
-A lesser consideration is how fast the kayak is, depends if you want to race to your fishing spot or not.
hmmmm... a lot of things to think about there. one i do think mite suit me would be the cayman toyboy. it has been selling on ebay for about $800 and looks fishing friendly. it has two rod holdsers on the back and a flcuh mounrt swivel rod holder on the front (whatever that is) ill put up a pic. your opinion is highly valued and would be much appreciated.
My apologies, I thought you were talking about a different Cayman! The Toyboy Cayman is quite new to the market, made in australia and well priced, but I don't anyone who paddles one so can't give you any real life feedback on the performance or build quality of this yak. The guy who supplies these kayaks (Darren from Outerlimit) is a member of a kayak fishing website I go on a lot. Like I said I don't know much about this kayak, but just going from the pictures on the outerlimit website (www.outerlimit.com.au):
PROS
Well priced
Roomy at the back end where a crate can be fitted
Has rod holders already
Comes with a high-back seat (essential) and paddle
CONS
The hatch at the front would be impossible to access while on the water (you'd have to capsize to do it), therefore no easily accesible below the deck storage (handy for stuff like phone, wallet etc).
Kayak is new to market, so build quality and on water performance are unknown
Build quality is a big factor, and has become an issue recently when a well known and fairly high-end kayak manufacturer started turning out poor quality boats with faults like thin plastic, cracks, poor fittings etc. It is unlikely that this will be a problem but you never know. This is another reason why it would be nice to see/try before you buy.
If I were you I'd really try hard to paddle the kayak before you buy it. You are welcome to have a test paddle of mine and my girlfriend's kayaks so you have some basis for comparison. It would suck if you bought the kayak without paddling it, then realise it's too tippy (unstable), or too slow, or whatever.
I can ask the guys on the kayak fishing forum about the Cayman for you if you like, but as i said I don't think anyone has one (aside from Darren who sells them, and I think his opinion would be just a little biased! <img src='http://www.squidfish.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> )
There has been more chat than I thought on the Cayman, and a guy in melbourne (irregular poster) actually owns one - you could ask him for a paddle. The site is www.akff.net (my username is Squidder).
I've done a fair bit to help you sort out your kayak, and I've now pointed you in the direction of a kayak fishing website. To thank me for the help, you have to promise that you'll keep posting on squidfish.net and not dissappear, never to be heard from again (like many others who were once regulars on this site). Deal?
jazman... you are a champ. if ever someone needs help or advice, your there! thx heaps for all the offers to try but im not looking to buy for another few months. Do you really think i would leave squidfish???well i wouldn't. by the way the lures and jigheads came today. i am very happy with them.
No, I didn't think you would leave squidfish, but kayak fishing is a whole 'nother world that becomes an addiction......you just never know. I went missing from this site for a fair few months after I bought my kayak. <img src='http://www.squidfish.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/oops.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':thumbsup2:' />
It's a smart move to leave your kayak buying until the warmer months, it gives you time to save up a few more dollars, and really consider your choice. Did I mention that kayaks are great for squid fishing? Just hard to clean up afterwards! I'll post some pics of squid in my kayak tomorrow.
haha awesome. mmmm... im sure it is addictive it sounds like awesome fun. i think maybe if and when i get a kayak we will have to organise some squidfish kayak trips.
went down to the new amart sports shop on nepean highway (near bunnings). GET DOWN THERE THEY ARE HAVING A GRAND OPENING SALE AND HAVE SOME GREAT CHEAP THINGS! sorry but i just thought that you should get down there ASAP. Today i went and they have good deals such as... squidgys 2.50 a pack from these little bins (usually about $6). berkley powerbait micro minnows 2" $2.50ea (usually about $8), surf rod holders $1ea, Surf rod combos $32, squid jigs 5 for $5, partridge hooks (in the little containers) 5 for $5 usually about $5 each!
anyways thats all i can remember off the top of my head but get down there it is awesome! i bought 4 packs of squidgies and 2 micro minnows all for $15!
i mite see you down there tomorow as im want to go again so i can stock up!
oh yeah i forgot! they have a fair bit of snorkelling and spearfishing gear too! there are not many shops that have that sorta stuff around here. oh which reminds me there is a dive shop that has just recently opened in mentone.
yeah thanks glen, im pretty sure thats it. It is on that block of shops that is fairly recent ( supercheap auto, retravision, rays outdoors, etc.) The dive shop is just across the road basically so maybe its worth having a look in there too.
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