I have a couple questions on the baited jigs. How large are the jigs that you are using, the diameter & length of the rod, and hook size?? Is the attachment just a hole in the rod, or?? Is there anything else that holds on the bait?? Also, what kind of price do you pay for those?
Sounds like a lot of people using them. I might be interested in getting into those.
How large are the jigs that you are using, the diameter & length of the rod, and hook size??
The baited jigs, are just a metal rod of around 20cm in length, with barbs on the end - either the same as a prawn style jag, or alternatively they have 6 or 7 hooks - probably size 1 or 2.
Is the attachment just a hole in the rod, or??
Attatchment is just a hole in the metal rod....
Is there anything else that holds on the bait??
Nothing else holds the fish one - you just push the rod through the fish - either through the mouth, or push it from the tail end....
Also, what kind of price do you pay for those?
Usually cost around $2-$3......althought i bought one last night which i spoke about before - with the jag barbs about an inch above the hooks which cost me $4.65 - be interested to see if they work....
When I get home tonight, ill snap off some photos of the 3 types that i have at home and post them here......
Cheers!
Nathan
SA - the land of the bigger fish. The fish on the east, measure the least, but if you head west, you'll be bringing in the best!!
Hi Nathan, thanks for the response back. Yes, some pictures would help a bit!!! I got the basic idea, about what size diameter is the rod that they use on them things?
I've heard a few comments that the jags on them are too small, I would imagine that getting a wider set of hooks might be the ticket??? Say about 3cm wide from the widest points???
Jon - you dont want the hooks too big, as they will start to scare squid off. I have been thinking of how to make these better - something along the lines of how the razorback jags work....
The rod is not very thick at all, but it needs to be solid. It would be about 3mm in diameter - ill take enough photos, from every angle so you can see everything.....
I dont know how good you are, but i think if you can manage it, a set of hooks about halfway down the rod would be excellent...Ive been thinking about it for close to 2 years, as a lot of the time, my float gets dragged under, and i pull the line in and the bait has just been attatcked near the back of the head.....
Cheers!
Nathan
SA - the land of the bigger fish. The fish on the east, measure the least, but if you head west, you'll be bringing in the best!!
Hi Nathan, I can understand not wanting the hooks too big, but I would think that too small would be an issue. There are a few different varieties of hooks available out there that are large. You have the ones that have a large diameter wire size about 1.4mm and yeah, those might be too big. I'm thinking about a wire size similar to what you find on the smaller hooks about a 0.9mm wire size, with about 14 - 16 points. Those shouldn't spook the squid at all, as it should actually outline your bait quite well, especially if you got them hooked head first. Remeber as well, squid are QUITE agressive on food. I assume you've seen the "bait attack" jigs available, there are also similar cage type jigs made of wire that are available. I don't think these things spook the squid.
So you say that you get your bait gets attacked towards the back of the head???? You got the head up or down on the jigs???
Hey, if you can manage it. Can you give me a photo of a baited jig as well???
Now your idea, a set of hooks half way down the rod???? If it's that high up, how do you intend to slip on your bait???
I've seen the razorback jigs, a couple photo's of them anyways. I might incorporate something like those into my product line in the fall. I can't imagine how to incorporate something like a razorback into a bait jig though.
I'll send a couple of photo's of some different types that are available.
Top one is a cage style where you put your bait inside, and the cage keeps it inside.
Middle one is the kind I think you are referring to, although I don't know if the ones that you use have one or two jags on them???
The bottom one is a model of mine that is currently in production. It's 80mm long, rod size about 5mm, but instead of gold bands they are red bands. They are HOT here!!!! The green color is Luminous, so it works great to draw the squid in at night.
The middle one is the one im on about, yes - except the hooks are wider....we do have those exact ones, but with, as you said, only one set of hooks
THE FIRST ONE!! Thats what you need, and have a set of hooks, or maybe two on the outside of the cage.....Ill take 10!!!
Have seen the bait attack ones, but never tried them......
A photo of a baited jag?? Might be a bit hard, as i dont think i have any shots of them, and i dont have a bait to put on them, but you'll get the idea anyway....
And i baited head first, and tail first, and they always hit just behind the head, and never hook up - we either use a landing net, or drop a yo zuri down when we get them in close - we dont lose too many.......
But i like that first one - if you can get one like that with hooks on the wire on the outside, ill buy them!!!
Cheers!
Nathan
SA - the land of the bigger fish. The fish on the east, measure the least, but if you head west, you'll be bringing in the best!!
And sorry - about getting the bait on with the hooks high up - thats where my idea comes unstuck - i couldnt picture it, but i think that my idea above will work!!
SA - the land of the bigger fish. The fish on the east, measure the least, but if you head west, you'll be bringing in the best!!
So you like that cage design best huh??? I think what you're thinking about might be doable!! If you want hooks on the outside section, I should be able to put a hook on each wire, it would have to be a smaller sized hook however, as it would be difficult to attach a larger hook. It should also hold the bait in place better as well, as the outside hooks can grab on. Could also possibly have a luminous coating applied to the cage, so that it glows in the dark, might be the trick for night work??? What about the length of the whole thing, how big are the bait that you want to use??
How do you like the standard bait hook as in the photo??? I think the double, wider hook design would give you better hookups as well.
Here is how shipping works from here. Unfortuneately it is difficult to have an easy online order/payment for both USA sales and International, as the International shipping costs more. In general for shipping to Australia would be approximately $6.50USD for as much as can be stuffed into a 6"x10" 15cm x 25cm envelope. Commercial style jigs will fit up to 30 OR yo-zuri style I think I can fit about 10 OR the fishing lights probably 5 or 10 depending if they are shipped with the retail packaging. For approximately $10.50USD as much as can be stuffed into a 9.5" x 12" 24cm x 31cm envelope.
For International orders, it is best to email me what items you want, prices will be listed on the website, and I can send you an invoice by Paypal. I'm also currently re-designing the website so that it will be a lot easier to find things and it should load better when I'm done as well.
As for when I'm getting more stuff in, right now I'm anticipating June 6th or so for lights, squid hooks, prawn & fish style squid jigs. June 15th for the other styles of squid jigs.
I've been working on a design like you said you would be interested in, I think I have one that will work in a couple of days.
I have a question, I think you said you were having problems with hookups in your current configuration, under a bobber. How is that setup, and what type of bobber are you using? How deep under the bobber?? Does the line slip through the bobber to a stop, or does it clip to the bobber so it doesn't slip?
I use a squidder float (thats what they are called). I usually have the bait set at a depth of close to a metre above the weed line - this has come from practice - knowing how deep it is in areas i fish. I have the float connected so that a swivel stops it from going too far.
As for the designs. The cage style with hooks on the outside would be ideal. The bait i use are usually about 25cm long, but some of the bigger tommies (Australian Herring) i use are very fat, but i usually cut them down to fit them better on the jag..........
The standard bait hook as in the photo, i dont think works as well - as most of the time it is best set up sticking slightly out to one side of the bait, and if the squid grabs the other side, there is no hook up........
Cant wait for your new stock to arrive..........
Cheers!
Nathan
SA - the land of the bigger fish. The fish on the east, measure the least, but if you head west, you'll be bringing in the best!!
Could you provide me a photo of how the float is setup?? Also, how big are the squid hooks that are on the jigs you have now mm apart diameter of points, they definitely sound too small for the bait you are using.
The one I'm making up right now is probably a bit small, would only fit a small bait about 10cm. Still trying to fiddle with it. I will attach a photo once it's completed.
So Ideally, what size bait should this thing fit??? From Where the rod goes into the fish, to where it goes out, and how big around the head portion, and tail portion? I'm figuring that head down is probably the best rigging.
We had a chat about bait rigging on this site a while ago, consensus was that head UP is more successful, although I have fished both, and caught squid on both, I think that head up results in more hook ups. Personally I find that head down baits clog up the hooks, so it's harder for the hooks to penetrate
Also, I LOVE the idea of that cage for whole fish with "razorback" style hooks mid-body, sounds like a real winner.
Yep heads up is the way to go BUT this point has been debated by many a pro squid fisho
Some people will say that a squid strikes just behind the head of a fish so head s down is the way to go, while this theory is correct its not in favour of hook up rates
as the heads often foul the jig
Ive have always used the tail down method and have had plenty of old guys tell me that Ive baited my jig wrong.
My dad and I once fish Queensliff, we were fishing next to a group of Maltese gentlemen who couldnt understand why they were losing so many squid from bad hookups till my dad showed then that their toomy rough baits were to big for the jigs and fouling up the hooks, needless to say they turned their baits arond and had immediate success
Those jigs you mention sound great altough Im not yet convinced that the razorbacks with hooks half way down really work well as I have had a lot of lost squid using these jigs but yet to find out a reason why as the idea of placing the hooks where they are sounds like they offer a better hook up rate
I put the head near the hooks, as the squid attacks behind the head, as i said, so it is closer to the hooks - i also usually use frozen baits, so obviously, its easier to go through the mouth.
As for bait sizes - they have to be legal size, and i use garfish, which need to be 23cm, so........ They are a very thin fish though........ They dont usually fit on the pins i use, so i cut them down to size, but generally the pin part is about 20cm, then the hooks are extra. Usually the pin is totally inside the fish, and i use a snap swivel to connect it to my line....... Ill take a fish from my freezer that i have for next time i go squidding and set it up to show you what i mean.........
I havent been able to get around to taking all the photos.........Ill try and get them done this week - ill get a photo of the pins i have, plus my float set ups......
It will be easier to explain with photos - ill see if i have time today.....
Cheers!
Nathan
SA - the land of the bigger fish. The fish on the east, measure the least, but if you head west, you'll be bringing in the best!!
Thanks, the photo's will help. I'm sure with a little input, I can help the hookup rate on the bait jigs. How wide are the hooks on the jigs you use?? I just about have a tentative prototype finished, it wasn't what I originally set out for, but I think it will work, AND it will work with your current jigs. JUST a prototype mind you, so it's a little rough around the edges.
04-05-2004, 07:23 PM (This post was last modified: 04-05-2004, 08:52 PM by glen.)
And now, a couple showing the width of the hooks - i measure them and they sit 2cm from the pin...........The pin is 12.5cm long - maybe they arent 20+cm baits im using..........
SA - the land of the bigger fish. The fish on the east, measure the least, but if you head west, you'll be bringing in the best!!
