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Not A European Squid ! - Greg - 09-11-2008
Hi guys.
Ive been a member in this forum for a year or so but this is my first post. I've been fishing for squid for some time and during the last 2 weeks i've been catching some NEW species of squid. Im from Cyprus and these species are definetely aliens to the Mediterrenean sea!
Where are they from and what kind of species are these?? I need to know their scientific name and How big do they get?
Thanks
Not A European Squid ! - glen - 10-11-2008
hi greg, welcome!!! hopefully some of the european members can help describe those squid for you, cheers, glen <img src='http://www.squidfish.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/xyxthumbs.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':th' />
Not A European Squid ! - Jazman - 10-11-2008
Hi Greg, your squid look a lot like what the Japanese call 'Aori' or Bigfin reef squid (Sepioteuthis lessoniana). At least the horizontal stripes on the body, and general body shape look very similar. Maybe some of our Japanese members will have a better idea <img src='http://www.squidfish.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':th' />
Not A European Squid ! - mrzed - 10-11-2008
It looks very similar to our "aori" but the fin looks a little narrower and doesn't seem to go all the way around like ours usually do. It could be a relative.ãThe Japanese one is called Sepioteuthis lessoniana and has been known to get as big as 5kg.
There is a Sepioteuthis loliginiformis which lives in the Red Sea.
Not A European Squid ! - Greg - 10-11-2008
hi
Ive just searched the forum and found it! It the same specie as the ones posted in the Singapore thread im 100% possitive, with the green eyes and spots on the body. Again which specie is this and how big does it get? I've google the one you told me and doesnt look like it at all.
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thanks <img src='http://www.squidfish.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':th' />
Not A European Squid ! - jcortes - 15-01-2010
[quote name='Greg' post='13031' date='Nov 9 2008, 06:02 AM']Hi guys.
Ive been a member in this forum for a year or so but this is my first post. I've been fishing for squid for some time and during the last 2 weeks i've been catching some NEW species of squid. Im from Cyprus and these species are definetely aliens to the Mediterrenean sea!
Where are they from and what kind of species are these?? I need to know their scientific name and How big do they get?
Thanks :[/quote]
sepia in spanish and cuttelfish in english , really good eat a little bit tougher than squid but really good in the grill
Not A European Squid ! - Greg - 18-01-2010
[quote name='jcortes' post='17349' date='Jan 15 2010, 07:50 AM']sepia in spanish and cuttelfish in english , really good eat a little bit tougher than squid but really good in the grill[/quote]
you are wrong buddy <img src='http://www.squidfish.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />. I ve caught 100s of cuttlefish and they dont look anything like that.This year these new species have doubled in numbers. Biggest caught was about 6 kilos. The japanese call it Aori, other bigfin reef squid.. Here the locals call it ÏÎ¿Ï ÏιοκαλαμαÏο (sepiasquid)
heres a small one caught last night on a shrimp hunter
![[Image: simera007.jpg]](http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4031/simera007.jpg)
Not A European Squid ! - jcortes - 20-01-2010
[quote name='jcortes' post='17349' date='Jan 15 2010, 07:50 AM']sepia in spanish and cuttelfish in english , really good eat a little bit tougher than squid but really good in the grill[/quote]
well we call them sepia here in spain an looks just like that one , probably different kind just like the octopus we catch here 5 different kinds .
Not A European Squid ! - davide - 15-03-2010
hi Greg!!!
you are seaspin.com Greg right?
Your squid is very beautiful!!! looks like a "original" japan eging game squid!!!
Great!
You have seen if your new squid is a competitor against the classic mediterranean squid?
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Not A European Squid ! - Greg - 16-03-2010
Hello friend
Yes i am the same person! (dont know in how many forums i am a member) lol
I have notticed that squid have been increasing year by year in the places were i fish. I beleive that this has to do with the massive tuna fishing...
Here in Cyprus tunas are almost extinct (as well as other predators).. thus with no predators squid numbers have been increasing rapidly. BOTH types (the classic med squid, as well as the newly brought aori squid from the red sea.
this year i have caught more and bigger squid (both species) than any other year before, but less cuttlefish.
I hope something else will come from the red sea, besides squid.. i.e GTs, giant barracudas, wahoo etc etc
Not A European Squid ! - davide - 16-03-2010
Hi Greg! Hi for All!
bad situation for predators! I hope that changes fast, specially for Tuna, a great resource for all the sea... I know that in libanon coast catch of species like spanish mackerel etc. is not unusually...
But here we are on a squid forum
The action for fishing is the same or you use fastes jerkin' exatly like japan style? Have you see a different habitat or others differences between Med squids?
I love cuttle/squid!!!
Have a good day,
Davide
Not A European Squid ! - Greg - 16-03-2010
hello Davide
The difference with these aori is that they are MORE aggressive than the usual squid.
In regards of technique i use a light shimano clarus rod, and pure japanese style egi.. let the jig sink then some few jerks and then let it sink again.. i have caught both types of squid with this japan style
in regards of efficiency now... I only fish them during night!
In places with lights etc i use fluorescent colors
In dark places with no nights i use glow in the dark jigs
In places with low visibility water i use a piece of glow stick 40cm before the jig
Hope this helps
Not A European Squid ! - Greg - 16-03-2010
this photo was taken by a friend who was eating in a sea tavern/restaurant.. those aoris are estimated to around 5-6 kilos each!!!
Not A European Squid ! - davide - 16-03-2010
5-6 KG??? wow!!! and more aggressive!!! you fish this all the year?
I also do fishing Egi style, but with med squid the jerking action is not extreme than japan anglers... i use a Daiko tribal execution now... in my picture, the red one is a prototype born with a crankbait blank (Gloomis) because I like short rods.
If you want you can post you photo on our forum, if is possible by the law of Squidfish.net <img src='http://www.squidfish.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':th' />
Vacancy in Cyprus, for fish this squid!!! a dream!!!
Not A European Squid ! - macmaghnusa - 17-03-2010
Wow that's really interesting. I can see how our Spanish member would call them sepias, jibias or chocos, at first glance they look like the cuttles we catch here, but a detailed look raises doubts. It's also interesting to note that the latin designation contains the words for both cuttlefish (sepia) and squid (loligo), so the cypriot word 'cuttle-squid' is quite accurate. Wouldn't mind catching a few of them at 6 kilos a piece!!
Not A European Squid ! - davide - 17-03-2010
but watching video on youtube, I have never seen enormous japan squids... You know links?
Not A European Squid ! - Egimax - 17-03-2010
[quote name='Jazman' post='13042' date='Nov 10 2008, 02:35 AM']Hi Greg, your squid look a lot like what the Japanese call 'Aori' or Bigfin reef squid (Sepioteuthis lessoniana). At least the horizontal stripes on the body, and general body shape look very similar. Maybe some of our Japanese members will have a better idea <img src='http://www.squidfish.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':th' />[/quote]
Hi guys, I'm italian fishing reporter. I tink Japanese call it " aori-ika" and write it ã¢ãªãªã¤ã«. I have learned much from them on cuttlefis fishing. They are the masters about this fishing and not only of this.
Not A European Squid ! - Greg - 17-03-2010
Hi guys..
Those 5-6kg babies i dont think that you can catch them..they will catch you lol.
Now david about the season. these aoris come around early september and stay here until late november, they dissapear. Then december - early february its the season for the usual med squid.. By the way, only a fool would choose cyprus for a fishing destination.. fishing here is like looking for needles in a haystach. But squid we have plenty when its their season. (feel happy to come any year round and i will take you on a guided fishing <img src='http://www.squidfish.net/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':th' /> )
The squid season now has ended.. so we wait until september for aori egi!
davide you are free to use any pics that u like!
ill post the pics i can from last season
Not A European Squid ! - davide - 17-03-2010
Hallo Egimax!!!
Sorry, but i have never seen your face on the magazines, sorry another time
, pleae to know you!!!...this year in Italy was the "squid year" ...is a fashion fishing time, and I have read a lot of articles, very simply and far away from Egi techinque...
Greg, please, write you experience, I can take the picture but is very important you opinion!!!
Not A European Squid ! - Greg - 17-03-2010
This year was the ''squid year'' too in Cyprus (maybe the companies wanted to promote egi...)
here is a photo of 4 aori i caught..
I was throwing a minnow to catch the cuda shown in the pic, when i saw a school of 4 squid chasing the minnow.. i then threw a jig in the direction of the squid.. 6 casts (japan style) i ve caught all 4 of them.. then after 10 minutes i caught the cuda and went home.. the squid was about 400gr each and the cuda 2kg